Interview with Ronan Harris, frontman of VNV Nation (Part 2)

This is the Part 2 of the Interview with Ronan Harris. You can watch the video interview here: Ronan Harris Video Interview Part 2

You can also go back to Part 1.

EBM.gr: You were talking about some indie bands...could you name some other bands that you like? I've heard that you like Interpol and Faint.

Ronan: Actually no, I was using them as an example in interviews, I was trying to explain to people who aren't familiar, because they have a wall around them and they don't want to hear other music, to use reference points to well known bands... I mean I liked Interpol I have to say, just their last album I find it disappointing, really... to me it was like a repetition of the same idea over and over and over and over and over and over until the point I thought: "Do they have anything else? Is that it?" Because the first album seemed so raw, so interesting, it reminded me of course of Joy Division -something that they hated being compared to, because that's  all everyone ever asked about- but they had so much more... and the second album just really built on that and took me to a whole other place. I kind of got tired of them singing about relationship issues... I mean no person has that many relationship issues, and  like having a different date with a completely psychopathic girlfriend every single day, so just he can write music. It gets boring after a while. I want the lyrics to speak about different things in my life. It's probably why I don't like bands more like tracks... or albums. Anyway, as far as indie bands there are hundreds of bands I like that do not fit into any one kind of category, but are making something different and unique. There's a band from France called "M83" who I reall like, I mean they're one of the best. I like "Bloc Party". What was really weird is that Bloc Party was really acoustic or like regular rock music, almost very few effects, and then they went into this track called "Flux". I don't know if you've heard this. It is my electronic classic track of the last five years! The first minute I heard this tracks I was just like thinking: There's every brilliant element of every brilliant electronic track in one. Why does a band who is so rock-oriented go and suddenly do a completely electronic track? And they did it brilliantly! I mean it's amazing! The guy's voice I think is incredibly passionate... his intonation, the way he expresses lyrics, the way he sings the notes... there's so much emotion, so much... even soul torture going on in there. And another band I absolutely adore even though they've become everyone's popular favourite -I think they've justified the success- is the Editors. I think that the last album, "An End Has A Start" has got to be one of the greatest albums ever made. I mean there's going to be a top thousand list and it's got to be in there. Because this album is powerful from beginning to end, and its incredible songwriting and you could do this electronically, we could do an album... actually what I heard was, when I heard it... that this was the kind of way I like to express emotions, same kind of lyrics, same kind of way of needing to express the thing that you're trying to get out, the need to exercise a ghost. And the album deals with loss of somebody like... as a concept it was a very sad album, but the way it got expressed was... I mean you just feel this is the human condition, this is the human experience. One aspect, one fact of life. And somebody singing about it. But the music, the production, everything... In fact I've seen them live four times and they have never ceased to  deliver the same sound from the record as on stage. And there's very few bands that can do that. They don't have to say a lot, they don't have to joke, they don't have to talk to the audience, they just play their music and it's like amazing! That's to me a mark of a great band.

But I can go through a long list of indie bands I like, I just think of... one thing that happened was... there was this indie wave in America in the early 2000 period, by 2002 it started to get really big. And what it was, a wave of bands who don't sound anything like each other, no formula and yet everybody is into this wave of music. And it was like to me what happened in the late 70s. It's a wave of bands all doing their own thing, creating their own sound, being individual, having their own image, but there's nothing to connect them! I mean, say The Whitestripes and The Killers have anything in common. Musically they sound like two different bands and yet they were part of this whole indie wave scene... The Killers I would say is a band who've never ceased to deliver. They've managed to put out some incredible albums! And I think a lot of people thought their first album would be it, and after that all their ideas were gone. Kind of like with the Faint. Their first album was brilliant, their second was... Pff OK, didn't really hit the same... it didn't have the same impact in music as their first one, well for a lot of people, but... there are too many bands out there and listening to just their philosophy or listening to just what's happening and hearing that everyone has got their own style is inspirational enough...

This is what created all the different bands that we listen to today that inspired formula scenes. Came from one band, inspired a couple of other bands to come up with a similar sound or change their sound to sound similar, and this became a scene... like let's say you have Bauhaus and Siouxsie and the Banshees, say early 80s... to talk about something that people in this scene would understand. They were two totally unconnected bands. They just came from this art school, punk, dramatic expression with overly dramatic sounds and the guitars, a bit David Bowie mixed in, with a couple of other things, bit of Iggy Pop... most people reading this probably won't even know who would this be, well they know who David Bowie is, but to understand why... and they created something new. This then went on to get connected together somehow into something called "The Goth Scene" and yet this word never existed in the early 80s, there was no word "Goth", there was "Gothic Punk", there was "Beauty Punk", "Post Punk", and all these stupid words going around because nobody knew how to describe it! Even industrial music, nobody knew how to describe it. There was DAF... what the hell is that? How do you describe this band? "Electronic Punk" it got called because there was no other way to describe it. But these things then became formulas 20 or 15 or 10 years later. I saw the indie wave in America and in England, a massive number of bands, all sounding completely different, having very soulful kind of vibes to them, being appreciated by a vast, huge audience who hated the formula music of the previous 12 of 15 years and wanted an alternative. And the fact that all of these bands got big success showed me there was a willing audience who wanted to hear alternative music. That was to me the greatest thing that happened to music in the last 20 years. Because there wasn't anything since... I would say... how industrial really hit at the end of the 90s or the end of the 80s and how it then inspired techno and trance and everything else... well, it gave trance a big help. There wasn't really revolutionary music and to see something like this, has become for me a revolution which is why I really appreciate listening to these bands, I love their music and I am hearing something that's... people making music because they enjoy it not because they are doing a formula that's for success.

EBM.gr: However when a term is invented someone is trying to do some similar music to that...

Ronan: Oh, a good example would be "Futurepop". My self and Stephan Groth [Apoptygma Berzerk] talked about this on the phone one night. We wanted a title which described our music to differentiate, to define ourselves as something different from the whole general EBM, Darkwave, Electro scene. And we thought what we were doing was very contemporary. We were taking a lot of inspiration from the underground dance music at the time and we had more to do with this alternative electronic scene than anything. We were listening to a lot of stuff that wasn't commercial at all but was really good music and it was very related to our music and took influence from it. So we invented this term "Futurepop" meaning we come from the early new romantic years where bands like us where called "futurists" ... True! And yet at the same time I think what we do is pop! It's pop-ular music! It's not pop as in... formula created by big major labels. We made our album ourselves, nobody told us how to write it, no one told us how it should sound. we decided that for ourselves. The real reason for the term was that radio stations in Germany would not play our music if it had to do anything with the term "EBM" or "Goth". I am not a goth, and I am sorry to say this I hope I am not upsetting anybody, I am not in the classic sense of what that scene defined itself as and what a person who calls himself a goth would define themselves as. But the thing was that these are negative terms in Germany. So we decided to come up with a term, mark it as that, and the radio stations might actually think: "hey, this is some crazy new scene of music, let's play this!". And guess what? It worked! Nobody would play us until that point. And suddenly radio stations started to play us. And we tricked them! Two months later adverts start to appear in magazines where all these bands were suddenly calling themselves "Futurepop". Never having changed their sound, never having been anything different than what they already were. But they decided to call themselves this term because suddenly "hey! this is a new term, and we want to be associated with that"...

EBM.gr: It's like finally finding a home all of a sudden

Ronan: The thing is they tried to capitalize on success, but it was the record labels who do it, not the bands themselves. Some bands maybe wanted to call themselves that, but the concept of it was to take contemporary influences in an electronic sense, contemporary electronic influences and mix it with the sound of our own genre, our own scene. And that was what we were trying to do.

EBM.gr: Futurepop is a term, someone might use it to describe VNV's music, but you have described your own music as "Alternative Electronic"
Ronan: Yeah, I think it's too broad, I think this Futurepop sound... to be honest it's a victim of what happened. This term became associated with... some people were trying to describe it a "melodic electro" that draws on influences of 80's electronic music and trance. And combine it together with kind of melodic vocals... it's a really hybrid sound. And I think our sound has become too broad. That term "Futurepop" becomes associated with "Empires", "Welcome To Earth" or "United States of Mind"... the albums are from the end of 1999 to the beginning of 2000  and people defined it not understanding what we were all trying to do which was to captivate the sound of the day in what we heard was going on outside our scene because we were bored... there was too much stagnation going on and nobody was taking influences from other styles of music and that's what we wanted to do. So we were trying to cross-pollinate alternative electronic music. And the funny thing is a lot of trance bands come talk to me, people who became very successful and very rich and say how they took influence from us or Apoptygma'sor Covenant's albums. And I find that to be a really cool thing because they were listening to "Praise The Fallen" or "Empires" and hearing something that they could connect with and then using the ideas in it to inspire their own stuff. That's incredible! I know Stephan Groth heard the same thing from many bands. In the general sense, in America we reached a very big audience now, I like to call ourselves "Alternative Electronic Rock" because they cannot understand a term of music without the word "rock" attached to it. Which is weird. But that's America. For us "rock" means something totally different. Like, in America the word "industrial" is used for this whole scene, but over here industrial for me still means noise... you know... experimental music. So, we are much more of an alternative electronic band and I think we are in our own niche, our own category, not defined by the walls of a scene or genre, which is doing our own thing and having fun with it.

EBM.gr: Emotion is a significant element in your music. It means you prefer to compose emotional songs...

Ronan: Do I? Are you telling me or are you asking me?

EBM.gr: I am asking you.

Ronan: I would say there's a lot of music that I've done that isn't emotional. Philosophical, poetic perhaps, not everything is emotional. I think "Forsaken" is emotional. I think "Honour" is not emotional. It can be an emotional song but then "Honour" would be... that's like saying if "Honour" is emotional then so are Funker Vogt! So it's Front242! There's a lot of music that I wanted to be an expression of the human condition, the human philosophies about what it is to be alive, what it is to be a thinking, feeling person but not to write emotional songs. I mean how people react to them. That's emotional. I think "Illusion" is a very emotional song, "Carry You" is a very emotional song, "As It Fades" is an emotional song. "Nemesis"... yeah it is an emotional song but that's like saying Korn is emotional! It's emotional as it inspires emotions, yeah, every song inspires an emotion, inspires a reaction but trully emotional music... I would disagree we are an emotional band. It's like people who say "Oh, your music goes boom boom boom", I say "Yeah, because you've only heard four songs in a club. You've never heard the rest of our music." Because songs like "As It Fades", songs like "Illusion", songs like "Second Skin", these are also part of our repertoire... there's always these songs that don't fit, this category of what's get played in clubs which is truly boom boom boom boom... So we get judged based upon a very narrow view of what people hear. If people hear "Beloved" all the time they are gonna think all our music is gonna sound like that if they don't know us. But the truth is our music covers everything from soundtracks to ballads to noise pieces to experimental to pop... to trance tracks. I find trance very emotional. Good trance really makes me very emotional. It makes you feel incredibly happy like a feeling of ecstasy. I guess that's emotional music too.

EBM.gr: Would you say that your music can be characterized, as a whole, as very spiritual?

Ronan: It has that aspect, yes. Spiritual... I think meaningful.

EBM.gr: Not in the religious sense...

Ronan: No no no, not in the religious sense, but yes I would say it's just meaningful, I don't believe in meaningless music. I don't believe in a song having zero meaning. I think the reason you express yourself is not just because there's a music industry and there's something to do. That's like saying there are five possible jobs I can do in this world and I am going to pick that one. Why? Because... You know, some people do jobs because of egos, because of how they think of themselves but to me... I find the music spiritual in that it has been very healing and very cathartic for me as a process, but then it helped a great deal of other people and given them words for their situations which I am always continuously honoured by, and flattered by. But I wouldn't say it's purely spiritual. I think it's got that aspect, it's got maybe five or six different terms which you can put together, which would describe different elements of what we do.

EBM.gr: Talking about spirituality and religion, do you consider yourself as spiritual or as religious?

Ronan: Easy answer. I am a spiritual person. I always have been. I've always questioned things and wanted to know what the truth beyond this two-dimensional world is. I found my truth. But then truth is a matter of perspective. I found mine. The world is as you want to see it. The world is exactly what it is. There's no hidden surprises. It's almost like in quantum world you decide... if you know anything about quantum physics, it's like the Schrödinger’s Cat, the world is as you want to see it... that is all that it contains. I'd like to see that there's more magic and more meaning and hidden themes going on in the world, hidden patterns, and this is actually something that philosophers and scientists are starting to come together on, but that's a whole other subject, which will be in our next interview in documentary! I am a spiritual person, in that I have very strong beliefs, but I believe that spirituality is not necessary a religion, religion is an organized collection of beliefs, that someone tells you it's true and undeniable and I don't share that view. I wanted to know when I was a child, because I grew up in a religious country. What I was being taught, what it meant, where it came from... is this true or is it not? I questioned everything! I guess in 1500's I would have been burned, because I would have been called a heretic for questioning everything. I probably would have been uncareful, because I am not very quiet and calculating and tactical about these things...

EBM.gr: You like to express yourself...

Ronan: I do like to express myself. I am not gonna tell someone that their religion is bullshit. I will tell someone that I don't agree with it, and if I cannot agree with it then here's why, and if they are willing to discuss their religion then great! Because there are some religions where people are invited to question it. And they will be given answers, and will discuss and philosophize about it. The Jewish religion, believe it or not, the Jewish people are invited to question their religion. Their rabbi provides them with answers, rabbis questions other rabbis about... I've had long discussions with people about this, and I find their aspect a very worthwhile one, I wished it existed in many more religions. Because people blindly follow without knowing what they are being told is a concept that was developed 2000 years ago before we knew a lot of what we already know today. I like to think that a lot of things from a thousand years ago that we thought, like for example that thunder was a god. I mean we didn't understand things. We were children. We made the best interpretations we could so we came up with these stupid ideas that this happens because of this... oh, and this is bad luck, and all this kind of superstitions because we didn't know, we are always trying to control things by trying to see that there's a system. And that's a human aspect. We try to see a pattern in everything. So this inevitably becomes mixed with our need for a higher figure, and a meaning to everything, and also a system of control which is an innate human characteristic that we always seem to want a system of control. As far as I am concerned, this is why religions get formed. Now I am sure that kind of sounds like heresy to a lot of people, but I believe that behind it all though, a lot of what we believe, might well be superstitions, or what we call "supernatural" or something like that. It could be in five hundred years or in a thousand years to accept a scientific fact, it's just something we don't understand yet. And we know so little about our universe because realistically we've only been in the period of science... I think it's really on the 1800's where we really got kicking and actually started to put our ideas together and start to push out what was crap... and say "this is right, this is wrong" and invite people to come and prove it's wrong.

And I thing as being a spiritual person I do believe there's something beyond our world. There's something more important than us, there's a greater system going on than we understand. And I just needed to know from a human point of view... It's like living on a side of a wall, you don't know what's on the other side and you're trying everything to see what could be on the other side of the wall... and that's an impossible task, but you can get an opinion of it. And I've just gone out researching my answers, and to be honest, in the end, I found enough answers which ended up being answers to very deep philosophical questions. In the end, the greatest truth I ever learned was that every one was right, it's just that they all have a piece of the puzzle, and they're too stupid to put it together to actually figure it out. And that's being our mistake. It's a bit like... we do this with everything. Everybody has an idea of how to do something but if they work together, all the solutions put together might actually solve the problem. Same thing with politics. I never believed that one dogma was a solution to everything. It's just impossible! That's like saying one solution for a hole on the side of the ship is gonna fix every problem, you know like one piece of tape or whatever, is going to fix everything. It's not! There always will be a dynamic situation. I don't believe in "-isms", I believe... and this is getting into another subject, I am sorry. I don't believe in "-isms", I believe in practical solutions for problems, come from our heart, not adherence of following of a dogma. Someone's saying: "I am a socialist". Well, that's great! You believe in social responsibility that everyone should be taken care of, that's brilliant. Do you take that one step further? Believe you should have the same formal instructions as every other socialist system in the world? Because then, that becomes a formula! Or you believe in applying these ideas dynamically to your country, to your solution or do you just want to control everybody? Because I think, in the end, most politicians just want to control everybody, line their pockets and take care of themselves. Greed is an unfortunate human characteristic.

EBM.gr: I couldn't help thinking about your track "Saviour", which is one of my favourite tracks...

Ronan: It's not about religion.

EBM.gr: You have a direct reference to God.

Ronan: Yes. It's a metaphorical one. In a way, the word "Guru" could have been used. There was this trend in the 60's, where people were all looking for answers, rich white kids looking for eastern answers to their life-searching questions, which was they were bored, they had no meaning. Well, fine. So money is not going to buy it but they believe that it could, they all got misguided, misled and got burned because a lot of the gurus who were taking their money were no different than them, and were lying, cheating, people who set themselves up as givers of faith, givers of answers. There were a vast number of people from, like, religious leaders, and I won't say all religious leaders, because I think, inherently within every religion is the idea "be good to one another". Almost all religions teach this. There are many cults that don't, which I find really weird. But they come back to a humanist thing which is to be kind to one another, humanism, I think is a wonderful thing. I would regard myself as a humanist, in that I have faith in human abilities, I have faith in us as a species. And we can overcome our problems.

EBM.gr: The reference in track "Genesis", refers to your belief in humans, in people? ("With you I stand in hope that god will save us from ourselves. Every cry a wasted moment until another day is lost.")

Ronan: Ah... I believe that we will save ourselves because we are always looking for answers from God. We fuck up and then we say "Oooh, God help us!", we throw our hands up and we call to the skies, and how did this happen. If you bang the rocks together you'll figure it out. You're responsible. You've been given this brilliant place, you've been given a garden. Just because you messed it up doesn't mean you're going to run to some parent, to some adult. I think it's actually a psychological characteristic in us that has to do with a parent figure, something we knew as a child and we still need as an adult. We need this father-mother figure. But that's not to say that this sense of God does not exist, I am a firm believer in the concept of a God. But a God like religion teaches, I couldn't accept that, I think religion has to be understood by people who milk cows, and people who write books. It's got to be understood by both. I think that's why I am an awful lot in the past, there were a lot of Christian religions who told people "No, learning is wrong, writing is wrong", because then it is easy to keep them all stupid and then they can all be controlled. Sorry, just to tie up some questions, "Saviour" to me is about people who set themselves up as the answer. And "...as blind and lost...", but in order to feel some sense of meaning or to be an anchor they welcome people who run to them thinking that they are the answer, they set themselves up as the source of life, when all they do is abuse and use people.

EBM.gr: The lyrics in your songs then, they are not about specific people, they are about situations?

Ronan: They are metaphors usually, mechanisms to express a concept. And I think people can understand songs on different levels. People try to understand, say a song like "Beloved", on a very direct level, who's it about? I say: "Well...". Every girl I've ever almost gone out with, or that I have gone out with since I wrote that song, has always said -as if feeling threatened- "Who is she?" Actually, a couple of guys asked me: "Who is *he*?". Well, and I thought, it could be that, but it's not. It's not about a person. It is and it isn't. It would be very hard to answer that. It's a concept, I use a mechanism, a lyric to express... I am talking to a general audience, I am very rarely... if anything ever talking to one person, although I might have a person in mind when I write a song. They also had an influence, their existence and their problems and their situations in life will have an influence on who I am talking to in the song, but it's not specifically for them, it's written to a larger audience. Mainly these are me describing to myself,  trying to formulate into words thoughts I've had, philosophies I've had, realizations. But, no I don't write about specific people.

EBM.gr: Going back to one of the earlier questions about playing live, you have many fans in the States, you have many many sold out gigs... Have you ever considered about moving there? Living there, in the States?

Ronan: Well, as I was saying to you earlier, I lived in Toronto for four years, which was pretty much like living in North America, it's the cleanest American city in Canada. In fact Americans come up to Toronto to see how a city can be so clean and so functional, so organized. I lived in New York for a year... Since being successful, as far as music is concerned I don't see any reason for us to live over there because I don't think it would really achieve anything, and I am a European at heart. I could live anywhere in the world and I would like to enjoy other experiences of living in other places just to see what it's like, just to experience something new. I think it's important to keep moving. I've learned a great deal from living in all these different places that I've lived, but at the end of the day... there aren't things I miss in America that are too important to me. And proper espresso is one of them! As you guys know, coffee is a very important thing for me, I love it! It's my ritual every morning to sit down and enjoy a perfect, *perfect*, coffee...

EBM.gr: You also like Greek coffee...

Ronan: I like Greek coffee... but what I cannot stand is like when you get a cup of coffee and it's burned. And Americans have no idea about coffee, I don't know how they call the stuff that they serve in their restaurants... coffee... it's like burned water. I don't get it. Anyway, so that's my thing. It's the little things in European life that I just find too important and I feel at home with them, I feel connected to them and I would miss them, I really would. But I guess if I was to live in America, I could live there for a little while, you know, just to experience it. I'd love to live in California for a little while, just to see how it's like, you know. I've got a lot of good friends there, I wouldn't move somewhere actually because of the country. I would move there because either I would really really desperately wanted to be in that place, or I have really good friends there and I want to be close to my friends. Hamburg, I've got a lot of great friends there, I love the city and I am so happy ever since I moved to Hamburg, I can say I haven't felt at home anywhere as much as I feel there.

EBM.gr: Coming back to Greece, you've played a few times here, last time was in September 2005... So, what's your opinion, what do you think about the Greek scene?

Ronan: Really strong! It's actually... sorry Italy but the scene here is bigger, and stronger, and  more dedicated. Every country is different. I mean in some countries the scene is more focused on folk, dark folk or in some countries it's more concentrated on EBM, some countries on traditional goth... The scene here seems to be mixed, between like the gothic kind of thing, the cliche gothic thing, dressing up and the whole "I want to be dead" thing. Just in case you never noticed actually I really like being alive and I like to sing about being alive and the phrase I always use on stage is "Just because we're wearing black doesn't mean we're dead yet!", and it's about feeling alive. Just because you're smiling and laughing doesn't mean you're being superficial or stupid, it just means you have the ability to choose one of many different emotions to express. And walking around being depressed all day is not a very useful use of time. It's not a practical use of time. I've never seen the sense in that. I am sorry, I don't mean to insult anybody by saying that but there's so much to achieve and so many things that a person can experience in their own life for their own benefit, not for anyone else, just for their own personal benefit, to feel as special as they are in this universe, by getting up off the floor, stop feeling sorry for yourself and actually getting out and start experience things. And that's being my philosophy about things no matter how hard my troubles that I faced I always knew that I would get through them, no matter how dark it might have seemed, and there was no light at the end of the tunnel. The fact is you know you are going to get out. You know it's going to be over and you're going to get through because *you* alone can make it. Nobody else can do it for you, you get yourself up and get out of it. And I guess I had to go through a number of hard situations before I realized that. And that's why things happen in life, 'cause they're there to teach you lessons. And those lesson you're supposed to learn yourself. That can get back into our conversation about spiritualism because I do believe that is what life is. It is a playground for us to test ourselves, to learn things. And to as what we do with that? That's another story. People can agree with me or not. But we define ourselves as a person to each other but how we deal with situations, how we meet the end, how we meet our adversities is the test of who we are. No one else has the right to judge us. Only you know why you did something, you know whether it's right or wrong. You can try to lie to yourself but you know it inside. You know if it was done for the right reasons, for the wrong reasons. Every being on this planet knows the difference between right and wrong. And it knows it chooses to do something for the right and the wrong reason. Selfishness, or for the good of another, or for the good, of the self. Whatever. But everybody knows it inherently That's the greatest reason why most people are unhappy in their life, if they don't believe me try it and then see what happens. See how they feel about themselves after...

EBM.gr: So was there any point in your life... [Ronan interrupts here]

Ronan: Sorry! You were asking about Greece! [both Ronan and us start laughing]. The scene it's great! I mean we've had fantastic shows here!

EBM.gr: Do you know any Greek bands?

Ronan: I've met a few, I've been given CDs by some bands, I can't at the moment 'cause my brain is going blank, I can't remember the two bands, but I heard their CDs and I really liked them, but... yes I've heard some really good music in this country and I would like to see it get more success.

EBM.gr: So your future plans is releasing a CD... Will you be playing any...

Ronan: We will be playing in Greece this year, we are negotiating that. We'll be definitely playing here. The next thing is to release this fan collection and then to release a new album we're working on. I've *NO* plans to stop, because I love doing this and Mark is the same, and he totally agrees!

EBM.gr: So any message to our forum members and anybody who's reading this interview?

Ronan: Efharisto! [i.e. thanks in Greek]

I truly wish I could spent at least another couple of hours talking to Ronan (only at the end I realized how many questions were left out!) but unfortunately we run out of tape, he had to get some rest and we had to get some rest as well (much more than Ronan I think!) Later that night we went out to one of our favourite clubs here in Athens - Dark Sun. Ronan enjoyed himself a lot, although I am pretty sure he would have preferred something more uplifting. Next day, at the airport I gave him one of my favourite CD's (Kattoo-Places), along with a compilation from Legion (Vangelis) with songs that were played at Dark Sun the night before.  And a bag with some greek olives (yes! greek olives, as he liked them very much!) We hugged, waved him goodbye and promised to see him at this year's Wave Gotik Treffen where he'll be DJing and spinning some of his favourite music. Till next time Ronan! Take care!

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